diff --git a/mitmproxy/addons/view.py b/mitmproxy/addons/view.py
index a0c952418..472670f03 100644
--- a/mitmproxy/addons/view.py
+++ b/mitmproxy/addons/view.py
@@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ from mitmproxy import ctx
 from mitmproxy import io
 from mitmproxy import http
 from mitmproxy import tcp
-from mitmproxy.utils import human
+from mitmproxy.utils import compat, human
 
 
 # The underlying sorted list implementation expects the sort key to be stable
@@ -460,8 +460,12 @@ class View(collections.abc.Sequence):
             req = http.HTTPRequest.make(method.upper(), url)
         except ValueError as e:
             raise exceptions.CommandError("Invalid URL: %s" % e)
-        c = connections.ClientConnection.make_dummy(("", 0))
-        s = connections.ServerConnection.make_dummy((req.host, req.port))
+        if compat.new_proxy_core:  # pragma: no cover
+            c = compat.Client(("", 0), ("", 0), req.timestamp_start - 0.0001)
+            s = compat.Server((req.host, req.port))
+        else:  # pragma: no cover
+            c = connections.ClientConnection.make_dummy(("", 0))
+            s = connections.ServerConnection.make_dummy((req.host, req.port))
         f = http.HTTPFlow(c, s)
         f.request = req
         f.request.headers["Host"] = req.host
diff --git a/mitmproxy/tools/console/flowdetailview.py b/mitmproxy/tools/console/flowdetailview.py
index fb2494e8b..d89078010 100644
--- a/mitmproxy/tools/console/flowdetailview.py
+++ b/mitmproxy/tools/console/flowdetailview.py
@@ -12,7 +12,12 @@ def maybe_timestamp(base, attr):
     if base is not None and getattr(base, attr):
         return human.format_timestamp_with_milli(getattr(base, attr))
     else:
-        return "active"
+        # in mitmdump we serialize before a connection is closed.
+        # loading those flows at a later point shouldn't display "active".
+        # We also use a ndash (and not a regular dash) so that it is sorted
+        # after other timestamps. We may need to revisit that in the future if it turns out
+        # to render ugly in consoles.
+        return "–"
 
 
 def flowdetails(state, flow: mitmproxy.flow.Flow):